I stumbled upon this today by NPR:
Be advised- racist content included, in the context of discussing the jarring racist history and minstrel roots of tunes that seem so harmless and quaint to us today. It's a well written piece with some fascinating references included.
I do see the similarites between the rose tree and turkey in the straw..though I hadn't thought about it til now. But maybe i'm a little loopy.
Maybe if someone recorded both, kept the parts in synch, and overlapped the tracks...?
In 1839 George P. Knauff of Farmville, Virginia published volume 1 of his "Virginia Reels". One of the tunes included is "Natchez Under The Hill". You can read about it here : http://www.ceolas.org/cgi-bin/ht2/ht2-fc2/file=/tunes/fc2/fc.html&a...
When Wes said that he recalled there being an "earlier hornpipe", I thought of "Natchez Under the Hill" but couldn't remember the title. I wonder if that's the one Wes was referring to. If so, it seems that Wes and I think alike.....even when we can't remember what we are thinking! Anyway thanks, James, for sending us to the Fiddler's Companion site. It's a good site and I had wondered about the origin of "Natchez" and how it related, chronologically, to "Zip Coon/Turkey in the Straw".
Tim Twiss said:
I don't know. Can a pure melody without lyric ever become non-toxic?
I don't see why not. The music does not have to be permanently connected to a particular set of lyrics. It is articles like this one that perpetuate the connection between a melody and a given set of lyrics. I'm not talking about historical documentation or educational activities here but the article in it's own way can re-enforce racism whenever the melody is played for someone who didn't have that reference before being exposed to the article. I think the lyrics can hold onto the racism but the music does not.... and should not.
Thanks James and Al my memory used to be much better before I started forgetting things...
I'm right there with you! Nowadays when I'm supposed to do something or handle some issue, I've noticed friends and relatives making a greater effort to remind me!
Al. Where were you? We had a practice scheduled for Thursday.
Isn't Thursday tomorrow?
Ha! We always practice at my house. So, where were you?
Me thinks you are playing with my dementia!