Look Ma! No Thumb String! - Minstrel Banjo2024-03-28T09:29:37Zhttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/look-ma-no-thumb-string?id=2477478%3ATopic%3A106221&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI recall when I was teaching,…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-10:2477478:Comment:1126282014-05-10T15:36:39.265ZLeonidas (Lee) Joneshttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/LeonidasJones
I recall when I was teaching, the principal at one school had a Christmas program, and asked me if I wanted to play anything. I offered to sing "O Holy Night!. that night it dawned on me that I had just offered to sing high Bb's at around 9:00 AM. I got up at 6:00, warmed up for an hour before going in, warmed up constantly at school, and 9:00 my voice was fine. When singing at night, the voice is already at least partially warmed up. I would suggest learning some basic vocal warmups. stay away…
I recall when I was teaching, the principal at one school had a Christmas program, and asked me if I wanted to play anything. I offered to sing "O Holy Night!. that night it dawned on me that I had just offered to sing high Bb's at around 9:00 AM. I got up at 6:00, warmed up for an hour before going in, warmed up constantly at school, and 9:00 my voice was fine. When singing at night, the voice is already at least partially warmed up. I would suggest learning some basic vocal warmups. stay away from dairy products when about to sing, and avoid anything that would tend to dehydrate you, such as soda or coffee. If you guys haven't tried pla…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1126202014-05-09T18:51:44.046ZJohn Cohenhttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/JohnCohen
<p>If you guys haven't tried playing the A and B parts of Injin Rubber Overcoat over a 12 bar blues, you're missing out on the hilarity. Here's a link to a blues in E major (one of my banjos is tuned to E low-bass).</p>
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<p>If you guys haven't tried playing the A and B parts of Injin Rubber Overcoat over a 12 bar blues, you're missing out on the hilarity. Here's a link to a blues in E major (one of my banjos is tuned to E low-bass).</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOoAYKOR-g" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOoAYKOR-g</a></p> ANY melody can be played on t…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1126102014-05-09T16:52:48.658ZTim Twisshttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
<p>ANY melody can be played on the banjo. Using the dactylic rhythms on the open thumb string within the arrangement brings out the character of the banjo....making it unique and difficult to copy on other instruments. I think that is a huge source of pleasure and intrigue for those drawn to the banjo.</p>
<p>ANY melody can be played on the banjo. Using the dactylic rhythms on the open thumb string within the arrangement brings out the character of the banjo....making it unique and difficult to copy on other instruments. I think that is a huge source of pleasure and intrigue for those drawn to the banjo.</p> Indeed John! While I love the…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1127512014-05-09T16:43:36.180ZMark Weemshttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/MarkKellyWeems
<p>Indeed John! While I love the sound of open strings on the banjo, I certainly agree that closed fingerings allow much more flexibility on the instrument (especially 4 stringers) and would have been a highly valuable technique for working musicians who needed to play with ensembles. For example, I can play much of the oldest banjo material such as Old Jonny Booker, in any key using the exact same fingering position simply by sliding a closed position bar chord up the neck, no retuning or…</p>
<p>Indeed John! While I love the sound of open strings on the banjo, I certainly agree that closed fingerings allow much more flexibility on the instrument (especially 4 stringers) and would have been a highly valuable technique for working musicians who needed to play with ensembles. For example, I can play much of the oldest banjo material such as Old Jonny Booker, in any key using the exact same fingering position simply by sliding a closed position bar chord up the neck, no retuning or sliding of bridges necessary.</p> When I was trying to sing mor…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1125322014-05-09T16:37:27.469ZAl Smitleyhttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/AlSmitley
<p>When I was trying to sing more, I would often find that the key that worked best on Briggs' tuned banjo for the instrumental break was not the best key for my voice (no key really is!). I would switch back and forth.</p>
<p>I'd sing the verse in 'D' or 'G' and play the instrumental break in the other. Oddly, I found (or at least I thought) that it worked fine that way. In fact, I thought maybe the change helped in some cases.</p>
<p>When I was trying to sing more, I would often find that the key that worked best on Briggs' tuned banjo for the instrumental break was not the best key for my voice (no key really is!). I would switch back and forth.</p>
<p>I'd sing the verse in 'D' or 'G' and play the instrumental break in the other. Oddly, I found (or at least I thought) that it worked fine that way. In fact, I thought maybe the change helped in some cases.</p> I agree that some instruments…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1127502014-05-09T16:09:44.422ZJohn Cohenhttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/JohnCohen
<p>I agree that some instruments "work best" in certain keys, but with the right technique they can be played in any key without too much difficulty. I brought my Boucher to a blues jam the other day and it actually worked out pretty well.</p>
<p>I agree that some instruments "work best" in certain keys, but with the right technique they can be played in any key without too much difficulty. I brought my Boucher to a blues jam the other day and it actually worked out pretty well.</p> For banjo, having the thumb s…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1126822014-05-09T16:01:21.493ZTim Twisshttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
<p>For banjo, having the thumb string be the root or the 5th of the chord of course works best. It doesn't limit it , but most hobbyists find it easiest to use it in the "natural keys". Fretless are best when utilizing open strings, so it does limit it to a narrow set of keys. It's just what works best...to let the old banjo be a banjo.</p>
<p>For banjo, having the thumb string be the root or the 5th of the chord of course works best. It doesn't limit it , but most hobbyists find it easiest to use it in the "natural keys". Fretless are best when utilizing open strings, so it does limit it to a narrow set of keys. It's just what works best...to let the old banjo be a banjo.</p> I second what John Masciale s…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1126092014-05-09T15:51:14.795ZJohn Cohenhttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/JohnCohen
<p>I second what John Masciale says. Having come from a background of multiple instruments (sax, guitar, piano, balalaika, fiddle) I find it easy to play in different keys on the banjo, either by using different fingerings or by re-tuning and <em>then </em>using different fingerings. I don't understand all the hoopla about how instruments are stuck in only one or two keys. I hear this a lot, especially among traditional musicians in old-time and Irish music circles. It's not the instrument…</p>
<p>I second what John Masciale says. Having come from a background of multiple instruments (sax, guitar, piano, balalaika, fiddle) I find it easy to play in different keys on the banjo, either by using different fingerings or by re-tuning and <em>then </em>using different fingerings. I don't understand all the hoopla about how instruments are stuck in only one or two keys. I hear this a lot, especially among traditional musicians in old-time and Irish music circles. It's not the instrument that is limited, it's their playing style. </p> With regards to keys, the ban…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1127462014-05-09T15:44:18.226ZJohn Mascialehttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/JohnMasciale
<p>With regards to keys, the banjoists had no problem changing the keys for their instruments. Having compiled a book of music for the era I found that there were significant differences between the published piano sheet music and the keys in the banjo instructors. There was also an additional consideration that we still see today amongst ourselves, which is vocal range. There have been times when different people here have taken a piece of music and worked it up on the banjo. Some of us…</p>
<p>With regards to keys, the banjoists had no problem changing the keys for their instruments. Having compiled a book of music for the era I found that there were significant differences between the published piano sheet music and the keys in the banjo instructors. There was also an additional consideration that we still see today amongst ourselves, which is vocal range. There have been times when different people here have taken a piece of music and worked it up on the banjo. Some of us ended up playing in a lower register, and some in a higher.</p> Dan'l I do see some of your p…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2014-05-09:2477478:Comment:1127402014-05-09T02:42:31.060ZStrumeliahttps://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/Strumelia
<p>Dan'l I do see some of your points, and I don't disagree with some of what you are saying. I think our viewpoints can depend on how we each approach the subject, and on how we've been previously influenced or educated.</p>
<p>You are correct that the term "complete overview" is not good word smithing- the name for that is <em>redundant</em>. Sorry, I will try harder.</p>
<p>Dan'l I do see some of your points, and I don't disagree with some of what you are saying. I think our viewpoints can depend on how we each approach the subject, and on how we've been previously influenced or educated.</p>
<p>You are correct that the term "complete overview" is not good word smithing- the name for that is <em>redundant</em>. Sorry, I will try harder.</p>