Sandy Boy

Comment by Bell Banjos on October 31, 2012 at 1:17pm

part 2,  the first few notes sound like pick up notes when played. Some people can't fiddle it.

Comment by Strumelia on October 31, 2012 at 4:36pm

It just seems so intentional.....this fellow was obvioulsy skilled enough to notate exactly what he was thinking. I'll go with your direction of thought Stummelia, but I don't want to discount the idea that it was a purposeful arrangement. I hate to explain away that which is strange to us......just to make it fit what we want to....

...I just re recorded the tune. When I listen to it without a foot tap or a click, the listener puts the beat in a different place....funny. It is like an audio optical illusion. This is not the only tune in the book like this. I so enjoy Rice 1858.

I agree Tim, that we should not discount either possibility- that it's a pickup note 'notation fart', or that it's intentionally weird off rhythm.  Because we simply can't know for sure, without old recordings.

it totally bugs me, the audio optical illusion thing.  I heard it before on one of your videos and commented on it- that I wasn't sure about the rhythm/timing- it was happening to me then- not being able to hear in my brain where the elusive One beat was, like someone pulling a chair out from under you when you go to sit down.  Now I know it was probably a case of this same thing.  I admit it frustrates me when listening.

Comment by Tim Twiss on October 31, 2012 at 4:55pm

I would not keep going back to this, but the rest of the book has some pretty quirky stuff. I have grown to like it. Wait until (or perhaps you have already) play some of the written accompaniments. wow!

Comment by Strumelia on October 31, 2012 at 5:00pm

Maybe Rice was into Absynth or opium....  

Comment by Tim Twiss on November 3, 2012 at 8:36am

I have been playing and singing Uncle Gabriel, as seen in that sheet music. You are right about the pickup note phrases Strumelia. Still a mystery.....fix it, or play it?? Don't tap your fot...it works out fine. The tune is marked allegero anyway...that sort of changes the landscape. I would not have thought the tune moved along that quick.

Comment by Strumelia on November 3, 2012 at 9:44am

It doesn't work out fine for me if I don't tap my foot, because i 'hear' where it goes off beat and then back on beat again, foot or no foot...drives me nuts.

I have no problem with people playing it the way they want to, and doubtless there are folk who like the way the rice version sounds as written....but I just have to play the pickup notes in the musically logical way.  So far it seems all versions of Gabriel/SandyBoy(s) both before and after Rice's standard notation have it written and/or played with the pickup notes located 'normally'.

Comment by Tim Twiss on November 3, 2012 at 10:00am

Ah, so the great unknown...why?

ha ha

might never know

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