Tuning for Anthony Street Reel - Minstrel Banjo2024-03-29T10:46:25Zhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/tuning-for-anthony-street-reel?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A158351&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRight, so it's about linking…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1585652017-01-04T21:30:54.659ZBanjo Houndhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/EricWomersley
<p>Right, so it's about linking dots on the page to frets on the banjo, and my focus should be on where to place my left hand fingers in response to the note I see on the page. </p>
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<p>Eureka!</p>
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<p>Thanks Joel</p>
<p>Right, so it's about linking dots on the page to frets on the banjo, and my focus should be on where to place my left hand fingers in response to the note I see on the page. </p>
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<p>Eureka!</p>
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<p>Thanks Joel</p> Yes, but they are played at d…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1583522017-01-04T21:23:13.747ZJoel Hookshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Yes, but they are played at different frets with the different systems.</p>
<p>In C notation the fourth string is middle C.</p>
<p>in A notation the fourth string is A.</p>
<p>Yes, but they are played at different frets with the different systems.</p>
<p>In C notation the fourth string is middle C.</p>
<p>in A notation the fourth string is A.</p> Hi Joel
Thanks for that. I'l…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1586612017-01-04T21:17:21.102ZBanjo Houndhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/EricWomersley
<p>Hi Joel</p>
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<p>Thanks for that. I'll have a look at the Lansing book.</p>
<p>I'm aware of the A & C notation "divide". I didn't make myself clear it seems as my question was actually about the fact that the "dots on the line" are the same for both. So a dot on the middle line is a B in both tunings. Does that help clarify my question?</p>
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<p>Eric</p>
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<p> Hooks said:…</p>
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<p>Thanks for that. I'll have a look at the Lansing book.</p>
<p>I'm aware of the A & C notation "divide". I didn't make myself clear it seems as my question was actually about the fact that the "dots on the line" are the same for both. So a dot on the middle line is a B in both tunings. Does that help clarify my question?</p>
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<p>Eric</p>
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<p> Hooks said:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/tuning-for-anthony-street-reel?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A158460&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2477478Comment158460"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This book by George Lansing teaches how to read in the different "systems" of notation.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://contentdm6.hamilton.edu/cdm/ref/collection/spe-ban/id/1897" target="_blank">http://contentdm6.hamilton.edu/cdm/ref/collection/spe-ban/id/1897</a></p>
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<p>The body of banjo notation that was published prior to 1908 in the US is pretty much all in A notation.</p>
<p>Post 1908 (and all British publications from about 1880 on) were published in C notation.</p>
<p>Collectively there it is estimated that there are close to if not more than 300,000 solos that were published for the banjo before 1940 and over 200 instruction books.</p>
<p>If you are only playing music published in America before the switch over then there is no need to read C notation.</p>
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</blockquote> This book by George Lansing t…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1584602017-01-04T20:58:06.710ZJoel Hookshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>This book by George Lansing teaches how to read in the different "systems" of notation.</p>
<p><a href="http://contentdm6.hamilton.edu/cdm/ref/collection/spe-ban/id/1897" target="_blank">http://contentdm6.hamilton.edu/cdm/ref/collection/spe-ban/id/1897</a></p>
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<p>The body of banjo notation that was published prior to 1908 in the US is pretty much all in A notation.</p>
<p>Post 1908 (and all British publications from about 1880 on) were published in C notation.</p>
<p>Collectively…</p>
<p>This book by George Lansing teaches how to read in the different "systems" of notation.</p>
<p><a href="http://contentdm6.hamilton.edu/cdm/ref/collection/spe-ban/id/1897" target="_blank">http://contentdm6.hamilton.edu/cdm/ref/collection/spe-ban/id/1897</a></p>
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<p>The body of banjo notation that was published prior to 1908 in the US is pretty much all in A notation.</p>
<p>Post 1908 (and all British publications from about 1880 on) were published in C notation.</p>
<p>Collectively there it is estimated that there are close to if not more than 300,000 solos that were published for the banjo before 1940 and over 200 instruction books.</p>
<p>If you are only playing music published in America before the switch over then there is no need to read C notation.</p> John, Joel & others
Plea…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1583512017-01-04T20:16:50.883ZBanjo Houndhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/EricWomersley
John, Joel & others<br />
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Please explain why having learned to read music based on a particular tuning, it is adviseable to learn to read music based on another tuning given the notes on the stave are the same.<br />
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My apologies if this is a dumb question.<br />
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Thanks in advance<br />
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Eric
John, Joel & others<br />
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Please explain why having learned to read music based on a particular tuning, it is adviseable to learn to read music based on another tuning given the notes on the stave are the same.<br />
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My apologies if this is a dumb question.<br />
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Thanks in advance<br />
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Eric I have found it useful to be…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1585572017-01-04T15:50:33.098ZJohn Mascialehttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/JohnMasciale
<p>I have found it useful to be able to read all three notations. This isn't for my own playing but for playing with other groups. Often I am handed music and have to make it work. It can be confusing at times, but usually with a little practice making the appropriate jumps in thinking works out.</p>
<p>I have found it useful to be able to read all three notations. This isn't for my own playing but for playing with other groups. Often I am handed music and have to make it work. It can be confusing at times, but usually with a little practice making the appropriate jumps in thinking works out.</p> FYI: Conway (p. 230) says tha…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1583502017-01-04T14:11:42.559ZScott Dannekerhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/ScottDanneker
<p><span>FYI: Conway (p. 230) says that these terms are used most often by banjo players who are also fiddlers such as Hobart Smith, Tommy Jarrell, and Fred Cockerham.</span></p>
<p>Thanks again.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
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<p>With rare exception the terms "high bass" and "low bass" seem to be fairly recent…</p>
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<p><span>FYI: Conway (p. 230) says that these terms are used most often by banjo players who are also fiddlers such as Hobart Smith, Tommy Jarrell, and Fred Cockerham.</span></p>
<p>Thanks again.<br/> <br/> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
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<p>With rare exception the terms "high bass" and "low bass" seem to be fairly recent in common use. I have only found it used on a few period pieces. </p>
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</blockquote> Many thanks Joel. What a gr…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1585562017-01-04T13:31:17.472ZScott Dannekerhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/ScottDanneker
<p>Many thanks Joel. What a great thread!</p>
<p>Many thanks Joel. What a great thread!</p> Scott-- yes. I started playi…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1583492017-01-04T02:23:11.762ZJoel Hookshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Scott-- yes. I started playing from A notation exclusively. I was not until I was introduced to the American Banjo Fraternity and took a interest into the later era "classic" banjo pieces and ragtime that I started reading in C. I never focused on really reading the Briggs book notation.</p>
<p>With rare exception the terms "high bass" and "low bass" seem to be fairly recent in common use. I have only found it used on a few period pieces. "Low bass" is never stated as it is the starting…</p>
<p>Scott-- yes. I started playing from A notation exclusively. I was not until I was introduced to the American Banjo Fraternity and took a interest into the later era "classic" banjo pieces and ragtime that I started reading in C. I never focused on really reading the Briggs book notation.</p>
<p>With rare exception the terms "high bass" and "low bass" seem to be fairly recent in common use. I have only found it used on a few period pieces. "Low bass" is never stated as it is the starting point. Scordatura is indicated as "bass elevated" or "bass/4th to B or D on sheet music. Starting around 1900 one begins to see "A Notation" or "American Notation" and "C Notation" or "Universal Notation" indicated on sheet music.</p>
<p>Eric-- I mean spend 5 min or so on the scales and exercises and then stop and do your normal practice. So start with the scale of A and focus on each note on the scale and play it over and over for 5 mins at the start of each practice session. Once you can understand where the notes are located then move to the reading exercises-- use the book as a lesson plan (because it is). But don't stress over it, just a little time each day so that you do not get bored. When you are playing from sight in the key of A then move to the next one. That is what worked for me.</p>
<p>If you drop everything and focus only on notation you might get tired of it pretty quick and it will not stick.</p>
<p>Truth be told, after I got the hang of A in first position I became ravenous at the thought if sight reading and focused on nothing else until I could.</p> C.C Conway points out the dif…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2017-01-04:2477478:Comment:1586552017-01-04T00:48:35.785ZScott Dannekerhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/ScottDanneker
<p>C.C Conway points out the differences between the terms "interval pattern" and "tuning pattern" (Conway, Cecilia: <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>African Banjo Echos in</em></span><em> </em><i>Appalachia</i> p.226). If I understand this correctly, both the left and right hand fingering remain the same regardless of the selected pitch of the strings? The only difference in fingering results when 'high' or 'low' bass is selected and should therefore only apply to the fourth…</p>
<p>C.C Conway points out the differences between the terms "interval pattern" and "tuning pattern" (Conway, Cecilia: <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>African Banjo Echos in</em></span><em> </em><i>Appalachia</i> p.226). If I understand this correctly, both the left and right hand fingering remain the same regardless of the selected pitch of the strings? The only difference in fingering results when 'high' or 'low' bass is selected and should therefore only apply to the fourth string (unless your banjo only has four strings, in which case it stays the same). There, simple. Right?</p>