The Trill is Gone - Minstrel Banjo2024-03-19T11:02:20Zhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A17466&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTim-
Alas, I only have the t…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-04:2477478:Comment:176252010-09-04T22:04:46.000ZRob Morrisonhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/RobertRMorrison
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Alas, I only have the tape at this point, though I am planning to convert all my minstrel banjo tapes to CD's. I do believe that I did talk to some people at EABG III that did have Joe Ayers on CD. I'll bet somebody could help you out there. And Joe Ayers does play the tune at a lively clip. Well, Good luck.<br />
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Rob
Tim-<br />
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Alas, I only have the tape at this point, though I am planning to convert all my minstrel banjo tapes to CD's. I do believe that I did talk to some people at EABG III that did have Joe Ayers on CD. I'll bet somebody could help you out there. And Joe Ayers does play the tune at a lively clip. Well, Good luck.<br />
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Rob Rob, I'm just not finding it.…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-04:2477478:Comment:176202010-09-04T17:59:42.000ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
Rob, I'm just not finding it. Possibly when I converted, I left a track out. Can you digitize it? If not, I'll understand. I sure would like to hear it.<br />
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<cite>Rob Morrison said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?xg_source=activity&id=2477478%3ATopic%3A17284&page=2#2477478Comment17619"><div>Tim--<br></br>Eureka! After two days of looking,, and at the risk of exhuming a dead horse, I found my Joe Ayers Converse tape. The item of interest is…</div>
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Rob, I'm just not finding it. Possibly when I converted, I left a track out. Can you digitize it? If not, I'll understand. I sure would like to hear it.<br />
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<cite>Rob Morrison said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?xg_source=activity&id=2477478%3ATopic%3A17284&page=2#2477478Comment17619"><div>Tim--<br/>Eureka! After two days of looking,, and at the risk of exhuming a dead horse, I found my Joe Ayers Converse tape. The item of interest is in a three-tune medley, and is the last cut on side two. Joe's rendition of the trill, if that is what it is, is every bit as amazing as I had remembered and is the reason I wrote him those many years ago to find out how in the heck he did that. I hope listening to this will be helpful for you. I'm not sure this is the "right " way to perform the trill, but I sure wish I could play it like that.</div>
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Eureka! After two days…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-04:2477478:Comment:176192010-09-04T14:36:36.000ZRob Morrisonhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/RobertRMorrison
Tim--<br />
Eureka! After two days of looking,, and at the risk of exhuming a dead horse, I found my Joe Ayers Converse tape. The item of interest is in a three-tune medley, and is the last cut on side two. Joe's rendition of the trill, if that is what it is, is every bit as amazing as I had remembered and is the reason I wrote him those many years ago to find out how in the heck he did that. I hope listening to this will be helpful for you. I'm not sure this is the "right " way to perform the trill,…
Tim--<br />
Eureka! After two days of looking,, and at the risk of exhuming a dead horse, I found my Joe Ayers Converse tape. The item of interest is in a three-tune medley, and is the last cut on side two. Joe's rendition of the trill, if that is what it is, is every bit as amazing as I had remembered and is the reason I wrote him those many years ago to find out how in the heck he did that. I hope listening to this will be helpful for you. I'm not sure this is the "right " way to perform the trill, but I sure wish I could play it like that. I have been having troubles w…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-02:2477478:Comment:175352010-09-02T14:05:58.000ZTrapdoor2http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
I have been having troubles with midi files and this group for some reason. The file won't play unless I download/save it...then it does just fine.<br />
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I like the speed of your video but the single-string trill seems to get lost. Tom Lather's version works nicely with the slower trill (16th note?)...but I suspect it ought to be 32nd notes.<br />
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I have been having troubles with midi files and this group for some reason. The file won't play unless I download/save it...then it does just fine.<br />
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I like the speed of your video but the single-string trill seems to get lost. Tom Lather's version works nicely with the slower trill (16th note?)...but I suspect it ought to be 32nd notes.<br />
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<cite>Tim Twiss said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?xg_source=activity&id=2477478%3ATopic%3A17284&page=2#2477478Comment17534"><div>Is that midi file okay? maybe its my player. Seems corrupt.<br/>Well, I wish I knew what "Quick" meant back then. 90 just doesn't seem quick. Andante. Anybody have knowledge of the Walk Around in general to speak of tempo variance?</div>
</blockquote> Is that midi file okay? maybe…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-02:2477478:Comment:175342010-09-02T14:00:05.000ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
Is that midi file okay? maybe its my player. Seems corrupt.<br />
Well, I wish I knew what "Quick" meant back then. 90 just doesn't seem quick. Andante. Anybody have knowledge of the Walk Around in general to speak of tempo variance?
Is that midi file okay? maybe its my player. Seems corrupt.<br />
Well, I wish I knew what "Quick" meant back then. 90 just doesn't seem quick. Andante. Anybody have knowledge of the Walk Around in general to speak of tempo variance? Here's the MIDI set @ 90bpm.…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-02:2477478:Comment:175332010-09-02T13:55:57.000ZTrapdoor2http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
Here's the MIDI set @ 90bpm. That would be my target speed. Any faster and the turn at the end of the trill is lost.
Here's the MIDI set @ 90bpm. That would be my target speed. Any faster and the turn at the end of the trill is lost. I would think allegro was at…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-02:2477478:Comment:175312010-09-02T13:53:39.000ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
I would think allegro was at least 120.<br />
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<cite>Trapdoor2 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A17529&xg_source=activity#2477478Comment17529"><div>ABM 17:59 = Analytical Banjo Method page 17, para 59...same thing you posted. However, this description does not = "trill". Please turn in your hymnal to 19:69 for his discourse on the trill.<br></br><br></br>Ok, I've messed about with this (and I did TAB it out some time…</div>
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I would think allegro was at least 120.<br />
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<cite>Trapdoor2 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A17529&xg_source=activity#2477478Comment17529"><div>ABM 17:59 = Analytical Banjo Method page 17, para 59...same thing you posted. However, this description does not = "trill". Please turn in your hymnal to 19:69 for his discourse on the trill.<br/><br/>Ok, I've messed about with this (and I did TAB it out some time ago). I cannot see how anyone but John Masciale could perform this trill at more than a walk. I think it sounds best at 90bpm (Moderato). Setting the metrognome @ Allegro (108bpm) turns the trem into something you might expect from Alvin, Simon or Theodore. Also, if one wishes to add a turn to the end, it is completely lost at those speeds.</div>
</blockquote> Okay, I'll look at that. Cons…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-02:2477478:Comment:175302010-09-02T13:48:31.000ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
Okay, I'll look at that. Consider the trill description above (Green Book). Not much different except the turn. So, how fast do you think Luke's Walk Around should go.<br />
(I know this is all pretty picky small stuff, but where else you gonna talk about it??)<br />
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<cite>Trapdoor2 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A17529&xg_source=activity#2477478Comment17529"><div>ABM 17:59 = Analytical Banjo Method page 17, para…</div>
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Okay, I'll look at that. Consider the trill description above (Green Book). Not much different except the turn. So, how fast do you think Luke's Walk Around should go.<br />
(I know this is all pretty picky small stuff, but where else you gonna talk about it??)<br />
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<cite>Trapdoor2 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A17529&xg_source=activity#2477478Comment17529"><div>ABM 17:59 = Analytical Banjo Method page 17, para 59...same thing you posted. However, this description does not = "trill". Please turn in your hymnal to 19:69 for his discourse on the trill.<br/><br/>Ok, I've messed about with this (and I did TAB it out some time ago). I cannot see how anyone but John Masciale could perform this trill at more than a walk. I think it sounds best at 90bpm (Moderato). Setting the metrognome @ Allegro (108bpm) turns the trem into something you might expect from Alvin, Simon or Theodore. Also, if one wishes to add a turn to the end, it is completely lost at those speeds.</div>
</blockquote> ABM 17:59 = Analytical Banjo…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-02:2477478:Comment:175292010-09-02T13:37:07.000ZTrapdoor2http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
ABM 17:59 = Analytical Banjo Method page 17, para 59...same thing you posted. However, this description does not = "trill". Please turn in your hymnal to 19:69 for his discourse on the trill.<br />
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Ok, I've messed about with this (and I did TAB it out some time ago). I cannot see how anyone but John Masciale could perform this trill at more than a walk. I think it sounds best at 90bpm (Moderato). Setting the metrognome @ Allegro (108bpm) turns the trem into something you might expect from Alvin,…
ABM 17:59 = Analytical Banjo Method page 17, para 59...same thing you posted. However, this description does not = "trill". Please turn in your hymnal to 19:69 for his discourse on the trill.<br />
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Ok, I've messed about with this (and I did TAB it out some time ago). I cannot see how anyone but John Masciale could perform this trill at more than a walk. I think it sounds best at 90bpm (Moderato). Setting the metrognome @ Allegro (108bpm) turns the trem into something you might expect from Alvin, Simon or Theodore. Also, if one wishes to add a turn to the end, it is completely lost at those speeds. I don't know what ABM 17:59 i…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2010-09-02:2477478:Comment:175172010-09-02T03:49:59.000ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
I don't know what ABM 17:59 is. I read the Stewart. Here is the Converse. I still wonder, how is the prescribed trill movement in Luke West's Walk Around different from a tremolo? The definitions read almost the same. Very few spots get the attention of the author like that one (pg 61 Green Converse). How fast would you play this tune? Joel...can you please demonstrate your interpretation of this?<br />
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I don't know what ABM 17:59 is. I read the Stewart. Here is the Converse. I still wonder, how is the prescribed trill movement in Luke West's Walk Around different from a tremolo? The definitions read almost the same. Very few spots get the attention of the author like that one (pg 61 Green Converse). How fast would you play this tune? Joel...can you please demonstrate your interpretation of this?<br />
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<cite>deuceswilde said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/the-trill-is-gone?page=1&commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A17514&x=1#2477478Comment17514"><div>The answer in which you seek will be found in ABM 17:59 and page 12 of Stewart's "Observations on the Banjo and Banjo Playing"</div>
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