Machine Poetry. - Minstrel Banjo2024-03-29T11:51:30Zhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/forum/topics/machine-poetry?commentId=2477478%3AComment%3A77376&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=no/Users/applpeimac215/Desktop/…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2012-11-03:2477478:Comment:773762012-11-03T01:21:36.441ZCarl Andertonhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/CarlAnderton
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More banjo machine peotry to add to what little we have.
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More banjo machine peotry to add to what little we have. I hope somebody finds that sh…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:524502011-09-28T12:16:05.916ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
<p>I hope somebody finds that sheet music cover...I'd love to see it.</p>
<p>I hope somebody finds that sheet music cover...I'd love to see it.</p> But I rather like History ob…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:518752011-09-28T05:22:33.045ZSilas Tackitthttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/SilasTackitt
<p>But I rather like <em>History ob de World</em>. Who knew that Noah's Arc landed on the Allegany Mountains?</p>
<p>But I rather like <em>History ob de World</em>. Who knew that Noah's Arc landed on the Allegany Mountains?</p> They represent an "ignorant d…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:523542011-09-28T03:32:06.467ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
<p><em>They represent an "ignorant darkey" whose attempts to rival Byron and Shelley are bound to end up badly.</em></p>
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<p>I think this may be the point. </p>
<p><em>They represent an "ignorant darkey" whose attempts to rival Byron and Shelley are bound to end up badly.</em></p>
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<p>I think this may be the point. </p> Reading through these many pe…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:523532011-09-28T03:23:34.524ZCarl Andertonhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/CarlAnderton
<p>Reading through these many period examples and references I get a sense that machine poetry was just 'comically bad poetry.'</p>
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<p>And what Emmett and Converse did with it was a kind of specialized version of machine poetry-- with the blackface element not usually found in written prose. They represent an "ignorant darkey" whose attempts to rival Byron and Shelley are bound to end up badly. ('Course, this is just my <em>opinion</em>--I may be completely (or partially) off base…</p>
<p>Reading through these many period examples and references I get a sense that machine poetry was just 'comically bad poetry.'</p>
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<p>And what Emmett and Converse did with it was a kind of specialized version of machine poetry-- with the blackface element not usually found in written prose. They represent an "ignorant darkey" whose attempts to rival Byron and Shelley are bound to end up badly. ('Course, this is just my <em>opinion</em>--I may be completely (or partially) off base here).</p>
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<p>Come to think of it, we don't really have that many examples of minstrel machine poetry, do we? The two Rice examples, and a couple of written examples of Emmett's work, is about it (That I know of). Maybe this was just an 'Emmett' thing?</p>
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<p>Just one more example of garden-variety machine poetry... this one a good Civil War example about the Battle of Stones River, which was a close-run Union victory.</p>
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<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=cisOAAAAQAAJ&dq=%22machine%20poetry%22&pg=PA680#v=onepage&q=%22machine%20poetry%22&f=false" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=cisOAAAAQAAJ&dq=%22machine%20p...</a></p>
<p> </p> Just look at the ideas of ban…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:523522011-09-28T03:03:10.219ZJoel Hookshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Just look at the ideas of banjo history in the 1960s. The wonderfully incorrect Scruggs' book comes to mind. Nathan wrote that he did not really know what it meant- thus he may be more wrong than right. </p>
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<p>We have more at hand than he did. From the time, not about it, that is the way to go. I used to sit down and write up all the mistakes I could find in a book about an era... then I just stopped reading them. Most of what I would find was misinterpreting the era. Not…</p>
<p>Just look at the ideas of banjo history in the 1960s. The wonderfully incorrect Scruggs' book comes to mind. Nathan wrote that he did not really know what it meant- thus he may be more wrong than right. </p>
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<p>We have more at hand than he did. From the time, not about it, that is the way to go. I used to sit down and write up all the mistakes I could find in a book about an era... then I just stopped reading them. Most of what I would find was misinterpreting the era. Not knowing what something was and making a conclusion based on modern influences.</p>
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<p>And if you need more I know of a great book on the history of the toilet.</p>
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<p> </p> Let's keep to period document…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:524472011-09-28T02:47:34.286ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
<p><em>Let's keep to period documentation shall we.</em></p>
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<p>Why? There isn't that much. Let's look at as much as possible. </p>
<p><em>Let's keep to period documentation shall we.</em></p>
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<p>Why? There isn't that much. Let's look at as much as possible. </p> Let's keep to period document…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:518702011-09-28T02:26:40.782ZJoel Hookshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Let's keep to period documentation shall we. <i>One Drop of Blood</i> is a 2001 book quoting a 1962 book that does not cite a definition of "machine poetry." As a matter of fact, Nathan goes on to presume what he might think "machine poet" could mean. He thinks it "might mean 'poet and genius of the age.'" But we cannot blame him, he did not have a machine with which he could search countless books with a few key strokes from his house (and in his pajamas like me).</p>
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<p>My look…</p>
<p>Let's keep to period documentation shall we. <i>One Drop of Blood</i> is a 2001 book quoting a 1962 book that does not cite a definition of "machine poetry." As a matter of fact, Nathan goes on to presume what he might think "machine poet" could mean. He thinks it "might mean 'poet and genius of the age.'" But we cannot blame him, he did not have a machine with which he could search countless books with a few key strokes from his house (and in his pajamas like me).</p>
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<p>My look into this was brief, but nothing lead me to believe that it was a complement, when it was used quite opposite in period writings.</p> I'd like to see that cover...…tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:523512011-09-28T02:10:21.680ZTim Twisshttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/TimTwiss
<p>I'd like to see that cover...can't find it anywhere.</p>
<p>I'm not sure how a performance of these was long ago, but I am enjoying playing it now. I like the accompaniment set out in Rice....Ayers version very good. It is a sample of adapting a line to a voice....shifting an octave and changing an interval for preference.</p>
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<p>FF many years....Jon Anderson and Yes.</p>
<p>I'd like to see that cover...can't find it anywhere.</p>
<p>I'm not sure how a performance of these was long ago, but I am enjoying playing it now. I like the accompaniment set out in Rice....Ayers version very good. It is a sample of adapting a line to a voice....shifting an octave and changing an interval for preference.</p>
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<p>FF many years....Jon Anderson and Yes.</p> With a little elaboration...tag:minstrelbanjo.ning.com,2011-09-28:2477478:Comment:522592011-09-28T01:57:26.222ZCarl Andertonhttp://minstrelbanjo.ning.com/profile/CarlAnderton
With a little elaboration...
With a little elaboration...